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    23:52, October 6, 2015

    Hello community! Welcome to our first community conversation.

    Before we get into our topic for today, I'd like to address two of the submissions.

    1. Regarding the "Self-proclaiming articles", it's already not accepted to add such opinionated information to articles. Any articles you see doing this should be marked for cleanup or cleaned up.
    2. Regarding the deleted NCS, it would not be fair for the entire community to focus on a single article that doesn't benefit the community anymore than most articles do. That being said of course, many of us are always happy to help you figure out things and work towards completing articles you create. Check out our help center for more information.

    Moving on, today's conversation will be about articles on high scoring moviestars.
    Here are some things to think about and maybe talk about regarding this topic:

    • What is the importance of such articles?
    • How could it benefit our wiki to improve on or add more of these articles?
    • How could we, as a wiki, go about working on such a project together?

    So that's all for this post, hopefully we'll have a great conversation!

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    • My thoughts so far:

      I think that the articles regarding high scoring moviestars are very important pieces of our wiki. They attract a lot of attention to our wiki and are some of the most viewed articles.

      I think it's very important that we work on improving these articles and matching them to our standards as they're often what represents our wiki. That not only means many editors see these and use these as examples, but that our readers are seeing a poor image of what our wiki is.

      Finally(for now), I think it's very important that we focus on adding more in the future. I've gotten messages on MSP from users of other servers saying that they wish there were more articles about moviestars on their servers, and I think that adding high scoring moviestars from their servers would be a great way to attract more attention from users of those servers.

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    • SnowGem wrote:

      • What is the importance of such articles?
      • How could it benefit our wiki to improve on or add more of these articles?
      • How could we, as a wiki, go about working on such a project together?

      As SnowGem said, they are popular articles because everyone knows them and people can often see us editing them in the activity because of vandals or they level up and change so much. Somebody might find the wiki because they searched up info for that user.

      They surely can use more info, but it is hard to get this info because of their lag. But if anyone ever helped us get information, it could explain the fame they get from leveling or things like that. It is important for these articles to be in good shape because of my answer to the first question, but sadly most are stubs and sometimes can't give the user what they wanted to know.

      I'm not sure what you mean by this, but if it means we work on a project to cleanup/extend these articles, then its a good idea. (User-MSPCPMH)-Harry potter Font

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    • MSPCPMH wrote: They surely can use more info, but it is hard to get this info because of their lag. But if anyone ever helped us get information, it could explain the fame they get from leveling or things like that.

      We definitely don't need to talk to these moviestars directly to figure out things about them, we just need the help of some of their fans or users who watched what happened.
      Another editor and I were able to complete the about(aka, the most complex section) section on an article about a high scoring moviestar without talking to them.

      I think the reason we often opt for having discussion with the moviestar directly is because that's the easiest way to get information, but it doesn't mean it's the only way, especially not in cases of high scoring moviestars.

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    • I like the idea of making pages on the high scoring moviestars on different servers.

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    • If I see any articles that need to be cleaned up, I'll try to help and tell you.

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    • RapunzafanMSP wrote: I like the idea of making pages on the high scoring moviestars on different servers.

      We could try, but its not like we know the things about them yet.

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    • We may not, but others do. So perhaps if we start them and give them an exception to the NCS rule then others who do know could come and help us out.

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    • SnowGem wrote: We may not, but others do. So perhaps if we start them and give them an exception to the NCS rule then others who do know could come and help us out.

      Yesss, I love where this is going!

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    • The one thing is:
      A lot of these important events that made these moviestars get the place they are at now, is so long in the past and has probably been forgotten by many fans... This may not be true for some users who are newer (With MovieStars that have fandoms spring up out of practically no where Examples: RotiKhaase, IzzyWizzyWooxox)

      To go back as far in to Pumchkins history to get relevant information will be... Hard, to say the least.

      //is actually wondering if that makes any sense but it makes sense in her head, not sure if it will make sense to anyone who is reading it but oh well

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    • Don't worry, that mostly makes sense.

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    • It does make sense, BUT, we want to get as much information as we can and the best way to do that is to be open to taking it. It may take a lot of time for us to find all the relevant information we need/want, but it doesn't mean it's not possible or that it should be ignored. The longer we wait to do something like this, the longer it'll take for us to get that information.

      IzzyWizzyWooxox's main fame came from her YT. I remember her videos from ages and ages ago.
      I didn't find her on MSP and then go watch her videos, I found her videos and then went and looked her up on MSP.
      I actually think she was like level 18(old levels) or so at the time. I also believe there was an account she either got banned on or there was a time way back when that she got locked out.

      Regarding Pump, I remember some of her stuff, but I know there are some great places to find people talking about pump, her old drama, and her rise to fame...and I don't mean talking about it presently, I mean they talked about it when it happened.
      I don't know how perfectly that method will work for others, but, it could be somewhat useful.

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    • YouTube has a lot of useful info on the drama. Specifically, the forum madness that happened long ago. The rest, I've noticed, is photo chopped and fake. Pumpchkin has her on YT channel though. Pumpchkin MSP. She uses it to explain contests and stuff like that basically.

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    • Some stuff is faked, some isn't. I wasn't talked about that specifically anyways because that happened I believe after some of what we've already covered...

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    • Ah.

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    • So I've still been thinking about this.

      I think we have a lot of the main points covered, but I think we probably need to focus on how we could go about doing this.
      Obviously having open discussions and the pages is the first step, but where do we go from there?

      Someone new to the wiki might not even notice the bottom where the related threads are listed, and I'm pretty sure that once those threads become "inactive" it goes away anyways.
      Generally we don't want to add such templates onto the articles themselves, but in this case...what about a template that linked to the related discussion so that the chances of them seeing it would be better?

      Also, what about if we tried reaching out to the forumers/forums on MSP? It probably won't be perfectly easy to do that, but I think it could help. We probably wouldn't want to mention that we're using the information on the wiki(because it's possible that could count as breaking one of MSPs rules), but just saying we're using it for an information page or article about them.
      If we word it right, get the timing right, and it's about high enough leveled moviestars, we should get at least some useful information.


      Also, we should talk about how we would determine which moviestars would be considered in this range.

      I've only thought a little on this, but so far I'm thinking that having a wider range for English-speaking servers would be good.
      I know the purpose of this is to attract users from all servers, but it's more likely English-speaking users will find our wiki and it will also make the entire thing much easier for us(as translation would complicate things greatly).

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    • SnowGem wrote:
      So I've still been thinking about this.

      I think we have a lot of the main points covered, but I think we probably need to focus on how we could go about doing this.
      Obviously having open discussions and the pages is the first step, but where do we go from there?

      Someone new to the wiki might not even notice the bottom where the related threads are listed, and I'm pretty sure that once those threads become "inactive" it goes away anyways.
      Generally we don't want to add such templates onto the articles themselves, but in this case...what about a template that linked to the related discussion so that the chances of them seeing it would be better?

      Also, what about if we tried reaching out to the forumers/forums on MSP? It probably won't be perfectly easy to do that, but I think it could help. We probably wouldn't want to mention that we're using the information on the wiki(because it's possible that could count as breaking one of MSPs rules), but just saying we're using it for an information page or article about them.
      If we word it right, get the timing right, and it's about high enough leveled moviestars, we should get at least some useful information.



      Also, we should talk about how we would determine which moviestars would be considered in this range.

      I've only thought a little on this, but so far I'm thinking that having a wider range for English-speaking servers would be good.
      I know the purpose of this is to attract users from all servers, but it's more likely English-speaking users will find our wiki and it will also make the entire thing much easier for us(as translation would complicate things greatly).


      This sounds like a great idea. But about the forums, of course there will be trolling but maybe if most of us editors made a forum we could really get the point across and get good infomation.

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    • The trolls aren't my main concern, the fans/"haters" are.
      BUT, I'm confident we can get information despite the silly time-wasters.

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    • You can. ^ I know some trustworthy sources. :) -Including myself with some users (':

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    • SnowGem wrote: The trolls aren't my main concern, the fans/"haters" are.
      BUT, I'm confident we can get information despite the silly time-wasters.

      Yes, you can definitely get information from the forums if the right people comment.

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    • SnowGem wrote:
      The trolls aren't my main concern, the fans/"haters" are.
      BUT, I'm confident we can get information despite the silly time-wasters.

      The only problem is that a majority of forumers are very anti-high scorers. Just take a look at any forum made by MyBeau/Pump or any of their fans/haters. I feel like going to them won't end up well since the results will mostly be negative responses and rumors. But like you said, there's still a good chance the right people can give unbiased information.
      The only other idea I had was possibly messaging any top supporters of the high scorers on Twitter. I did do this before when I was a porter for a week and I asked a reliable porter about the Jewels vs Porters thing. The only downsides to this is that the info gained would possibly be biased and it would just seem slightly awkward to just ask out of the blue. So, it really doesn't seem that efficient...

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    • That is true, but the reason I said the timing is because a lot of users who go on during certain hours aren't like that.
      I'm actually okay with biased information...you can most times look past the bias to get down to the actual useful information.

      Out of the conversations my friends have told me about, twitter, for that kind of stuff, isn't really an option. HOWEVER, most of that stuff wouldn't find a place on the articles and would probably be easy to figure out. What we're really looking for is just basic history and information about them.

      I trust that at least one fan will come to tell us all about their favorite moviestar and be open to more questions about them.
      Even if it takes a few tries, it's not like it would be extremely hard for us to make the post or to read the responses.

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    • Along with the forum, you could also make an artbook.

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    • An artbook would only be helpful if people were looking at it.
      While you could totally do it, it might be a waste of time for us to do on other servers seeing as we probably wouldn't have many friends and what not.

      Forum stuff aside though, what else could we do?

      And, "how we would determine which moviestars would be considered in this range?"

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    • SnowGem wrote: And, "how we would determine which moviestars would be considered in this range?"

      By range you mean high scoring right?

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    • Yes.
      Since we'd be making these articles community projects and giving them exceptions to our policies(because of their use), we'd need to make a system for what's considered in this "high scoring moviestars" range.

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    • Well, I was thinking moviestars on the first page of servers?

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    • I think 8 articles per server is sort of a lot to start out with.

      Like I was saying above, I think we should factor in the language of the server and the likelihood that moviestars will find our wiki.

      Right now I'm thinking:

      • Top 3 fame earned and starcoins earned from all servers.
        • (If they're the same that's fine, the purpose is to get them if they're not).
      • Top 5 or 8 fame earned and starcoins earned from all english speaking servers.
      • The top 2 or 3 pages of fame earned from the US.

      As we work on completing them, I think we can work towards adding more.

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    • Sounds good!!!

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